ok so there are slight differences in the specifications.. its hard to tell what those differences mean in real world application. they do not deviate dramatically..

ffl2
http://www.pentosin.de/flexxtrader/d...20FFL-2_GB.pdf

diaqueen:
http://msdspds.castrol.com/ussds/amersdsf.nsf/Files/4418CAB422531B298025795600647C43/$File/074926BOT%20341.pdf


i would summarize the differences but i am busy atm. someone else be a doll?:rolleyes:

This is great info. I find it also interesting the Ford Powershift transmission uses the exact same filter and housing as we do. I have found a few images of the ford one, and it is exact to ours. Again, only available in Europe and seems to cost around 40$. Seems fishy to me, exact same product, but 1/3 price. Might drop by Ford dealership and ask to see their filters for their powershift cars, pretty sure the new fiesta has it.

http://www.fordownersclubmalaysia.co...php?f=29&t=303

http://clubcj.net/viewtopic.php?t=8298
http://ford.sklep.pl/pl,product,3776...egow,ford.html

I was reading someone with SST problems who went to the dealer to get it fixed and they denied him warranty service because he did his transmission fluid change so now I'm a little scared to go along to do it myself. :confused:

I've looked over those articles before and the main differences in the specs between them really aren't that big, just viscosity and flash points really.

It's the platform they're designed for and what additives they use in each, that's whats important to understand.

Porche's PDK which is a joint manufacturing project by both Porsche and ZF has 2 different types of Dual Clutch Transmissions depending on the car. Some models use a single oil circuit and some use dual oil circuits, which makes a huge difference in fluids that need to be used.
DCT/DSG (Getrag/BorgWarner) transmissions, from what I know, only use single oil circuits for all of their current models.
From my understand, again, someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Each transmission has the same basic twin clutch concept, but the internals and how it's implemented are whats different.
How the gears and clutches are lubricated, how much force and pressure is put on each component and how the oil circuit(s) utilize and distribute the fluid(s) for lubrication and whether it requires 1 or 2 types of fluid, just transmission fluid or transmission fluid AND gear oil.

Each fluid is specifically designed to withstand that specific twin clutch's demands. Some fluids might not be able to withstand the demands of a certain twin clutch and burn up the clutches or gears, some might be overkill and slow down the flow of the fluid, some might be fine for the clutches but not for the gears or vice versa.

So it's very important to understand the mechanics of these transmissions.
I personally don't know the mechanics behind the PDK (FFL-3) and that's why I exchanged it for FFL-2 (DSG).
DCT's that use confirmed compatable fluid are made by either BorgWarner or Getrag, respectively.

Volkswagen Group had the origional rights to implement a dual clutch transmission in a commercial production car. Porsche made the first DCT's in-house for Porsche and Audi racing applications in the 80's.

Also, so there isn't any confusion.
DSG is just Volkswagen's name for their DCT, like Mitsubishi's is called TC-SST, Ford's is called PowerShift and BMW's is called MDCT.


Yeah, there are a few credible people in the MR/Ralliart group that have been using FFL-2 for a while, Bryan@GST for example.

Mitsubishi isn't fucking around with warranty claims on their cars. Especially a blown motor or a $10,000 transmission.

If you're filing a warranty claim on something big and expensive, you better have the papers to back up your maitenance. Mitsubishi wants everything documented, they want service receipts from a Mitsubishi dealer or a certified shop for: Oil changes, transmission fluid changes using OEM fluid, diff fluid changes, etc.

You can NOT do it yourself, Mitsubishi doesn't think we are qualified to do our own maintenance. No matter how much experience we have.
But their Mitsu techs that want to put CVT fluid in our SST's and conventiol oil in our motors are just fine.
But what do you expect from a company whose automotive branch is going under in North America.

My warranty has long been out the window so I'm not going to worry about Mitsubishi.

It's not a problem at all!
This stuff is just as important for us as it is for the MR owners.
It's totally worth the effort.

Decided on just ordering one and doing a single tranny cooler. I as well will be using ffl-2 since it seems like it will work with our tranny.

I wander if bryan@gst did a write-up on this?

Bryan never did an official write up on it.
Trust me, I've looked. haha
But he does mention it every once in a while on other forums.
No one seems to really listen to him though. :confused:

• Dec 27, 2011:

"The pentosin FFL-2 is also equivalent (and approved VW factory fill) oil as well. Amber color as well.

$18 / litre

There is also FFL-3 (made for Porsche PDK) and FFL-4 (made for BMW M series DCT) that would work well for heavy duty applications (track, etc)"

• Jan 6, 2012:

"It is FFL-2.

It literally just was delivered right now and I opened the box. It's full of FFL-2 bottles.

BTW, this hasn't been my first FFL-2 order. ;)"

• Jan 7, 2012:

"Quote:
Originally Posted by adog View Post
'How long were u planning on keeping this from us sir'

I posted it a couple times months ago. I guess nobody saw it or just ignored it."

• 01-24-2012:

"Seriously, how many times, in how many different threads, did I say that fluid was the same?

Nobody should ever listen to me.

Pentosin FFL-2 is the same, and cheaper. You can find it for $15/L "

Bryan does mention that you can use FFL-3 and FFL-4 in the SST.
I really just don't want to be the first to try it to see if it works! haha

I'm 19, make a little over California's minimum wage and I'm going through school. I really need a $10,000 transmission essploding all over my engine bay because I wanted to be the super guinea pig.

I feel comfortable trying FFL-2 because Bryan has used it multiple times without blowing up anything.

I'm just adding another experience and spreading the knowledge to reassure people that have any doubts on what Bryan has stated.
Plus I will also be making a step by step how to on changing the fluid and adding a second cooler with pics/nudez.

Then I'll post the results and my opinion on the fluid.
First, right after the change and then again later on down the road (track days included).

It really is important to hear opinions from multiple people and see their results compared to others.

I've found those same threads. There is way more information gathered here on the specific subject so far.

Thanks all!

I spent a couple of days searching the other forums for info but every thread seemed to go off topic too often and everyone just argued and posted false and random information without any sources.

My goal with this thread is to keep it organized and on topic.
I don't want this thread turning into a mess like the others.
I want people to be able to come back to this months and maybe years from now and still be able to understand and follow whats going on without having to worry about whether they read information that was true or not.