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Old 04-19-2012, 05:40 AM
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Yea i know what you mean in terms of learnin how to drive first. im still in the infancy of my autox knowledge, just tryin to soak everything up.

My first two events were novice schools as well as an upcoming evo phase 1 school so most of my dough is going into learning how to drive the car as opposed to what to add to it.

I am just engulfed with information and looking to see what works for others so i can always keep that in the back of my mind since i tend to be the type that looks 2-3 steps ahead while perfecting whats current

My main thought about the asc on vs off was that while learning how to drive, is it really beneficial to have this security blanket disguising the mistakes I mite be making? im not at the point yet where im worried about getting faster runs but more of focusing on getting cleaner runs
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Old 04-19-2012, 06:10 AM
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I left the ASC on for my very first track day, shortly after I bought the RA. It was raining and this is my first car with any kind of traction or stability control. Basically I wanted to see what the ASC would do.

After I got more familiar with the handling of the RA, I saw that the ASC would kick in at certain corners, no matter how clean my technique was. I was frustrated that the car wouldn't do as it was told. At that point I turned it off. As you progress, eventually you want to be able to have a little bit of slide (not drift), and throttle steer. ASC won't let you do that.

As I have never done auto-x, so I don't know how much of a safety net ASC would provide in that type of situation. That said, it might be an idea to leave it on for a bit until you have the basics down pat, and then turn it off.
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Old 04-19-2012, 09:00 AM
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When I use the word "drift" people get bent out of shape so I refer to it as "Skid".

To learn to drive while skidding require basic driving before skidding.

Asc is going to help you learn without destroying your car from roll over or excessive power slide.

Pedal brake - Can be used to oversteer.
E-Brake - Can be used to control lateral skid.
Throttle - Can be used to under-steer or over-steer.

Steering - Very important while skidding. While it help to gain muscle memory for degree of turn & speed. Limiting your steering angle will help with alot of things.

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I started out trying different things with steering input, spent more time thinking about how to free my right hand for gear shifter & e-brake.
How to initiate the turn-in steering input to free my right hand & still effectively use the steering wheel & angle.

I dont think you can teach these things, you'd have to experience it first hand.
You need to be comfortable with the lateral weigh transfer while keeping your steering wheel angle relative to your actual wheel angle.

Once you try to drive fast thru corners you will eventually figure it out.
I take it +1mph at a time when I was feeling out my RA. 30mph turn no brakes, 31mph turn no brakes, i hope you get the picture.
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Old 04-19-2012, 10:30 AM
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Here are some books I found to be helpful.

http://www.amazon.com/Track-Driving-...4856466&sr=1-3

http://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Speed...ref=pd_sim_b_1

That said, nothing beats seat time with a good instructor. There are also some fairly realistic simulators available now for game consoles and computers.
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Old 04-19-2012, 04:16 PM
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^Im more of a visual person, I read books but books can only teach you so much until you're in a hot seat, things you read goes out the window fast.

For me, I take the same corner +1 mph, remembering how much steering input, leg/ankle muscle memory on throttle or brake pedal if needed. I find it easier to learn by doing.
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I find it easier to learn by doing.
+1, same here.
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Old 04-19-2012, 06:21 PM
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I really don't see the point in books. it's 99.99999% seat time/practice

hell I improved 4 seconds each run at nationals. it's all about pushing yourself to do better through experience, and being open about constructive advice

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4tdOkVE6ao
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As I said, nothing beats seat time
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Old 04-19-2012, 07:53 PM
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yea im definitely all in for seat time. its the waiting time inbetween events thats killing me. just soaking up info waitin to see what works for me
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Old 04-19-2012, 10:56 PM
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I've learned a lot by reading and listening. Seat time is a given.

"in order to finish first, you must first finish"

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